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calling all beings y'all

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hey

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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj san marco along with my

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co-host what's this man's name

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nathan y'all that's what i'm saying

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nathan owens

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nft nathan is in the building and we got

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our associate producer backstage we

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finna introduce her and her name is

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akashi chris yes

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one and only

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but i'll tell you what man we got a

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special guest i'll tell you what nathan

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i on the same day that i first messaged

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this gentleman to come on the show i

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messaged the press secretary for joe

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biden

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and they got back to me the same day

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uh that mata looney did so it basically

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it took an analogous amount of time to

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try to book president biden as it did to

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book mike matt only but it's all worth

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it man he's so handsome i'm so jealous

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uh i i love this guy i love his vibe his

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show shout out to kristen manilow so

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let's bring him on yes all right party

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people put those hands together

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for ucr's own

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the singularity labs own kristin

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mataloni's own

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mr singularity mike michael mataloni yes

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put those hands together nathan where

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what did i walk into i'm just excited

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okay here's the reason i'm excited but

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first of all because you you general you

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we have a scholar and a

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gentleman i don't know need help we have

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a scholar and uh and a very exuberant

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friend of mine and i just wanted to say

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cheers to you guys i was excited to take

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off the tie i was excited to kick back

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and relax and um and and here we are so

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thank you so much for this great

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the most handsome italian brother in

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hashtag ufo twitter right here man

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i don't know about that but what i do

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know is that the uh the bald head goes a

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long way as you've been obviously

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experimenting with i have yeah

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unfortunately not by choice uh i'd

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rather look like artemis's uh boyfriend

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josh but you know such a life

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great here right here another one of my

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crushes josh yeah he does man

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heart bubble emoji for josh

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so uh anyway

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it's an honor uh all kidding aside it's

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an honor to have you sir uh regardless

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if it took me as long to get ahold of

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you as it took me to get a hold of

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president biden

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you need to stop that was not that

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difficult we we literally we

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you you reached out to me and then yes

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yes i agreed and then what did i do i

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forgot i did

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that doesn't mean that i wasn't uh

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thinking about you the whole time okay

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well i i appreciate that that i was

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still in your thoughts and now

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you know what but i want we got to do an

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addition an audition right here for luis

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before we get going so we're going to

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try it again we're in the hospital it's

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godfather one you're michael corleone

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and you're wheeling don corleone to

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another room

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because of the fact that uh you know the

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bad the the hospital's emptied out

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there's no security and they're coming

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to kill don corleone and i'm enzo the

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baker so i come upstairs

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and okay here you are you're wheeling

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the dawn you're gonna and this is just a

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set up for me and luis you know that

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he's gonna do a scene with me okay from

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godfather tube that's beside the point

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all right so here you go so you're

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wheeling your father

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don't be like and you who are you

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you're asking who i am come on who are

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you who who are you

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i'm enzo the baker

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i come i i i bring a cake

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and you're like

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what'd i bad things about going down

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here man about to be trouble here about

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to be trouble there's trouble on the way

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oh if there'll be trouble i stay

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for your father for your father

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all right

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whenever i'm with dj we're doing the

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same it's the same thing so it's all

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good man it's all good let's get it yeah

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all right

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get serious now

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we're gonna we're gonna start in my

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paisan uh madolooni we're gonna start

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talking about some serious stuff here so

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we are mike

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yes we're gonna get serious man

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can we talk about baby yogurt

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baby yoda's gonna come in and the

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beautiful the amazing the positive the

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incomparable akashi chris is going to

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come in but uh nonetheless um right now

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mike i have been sort of looking into

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this notion of singularity in

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anticipation of you coming on

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and as far as i can tell if i understand

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this correctly

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if i were to come to the singularity lab

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i would come to the singularity lab

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you make sure that i'm divorced i emerge

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single

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that makes me eligible as far as i

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understand your theory for hybridization

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you could send me out when the et's show

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up you you have me breed with one of

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theirs and uh and that's the whole idea

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is to to promote singularity therefore

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that i can sort of procreate with an

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extraterrestrial that's right is any of

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that incorrect that's right that's right

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well that's that's the entire arc of the

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the the series but thank you for ruining

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it for everyone because we well i what i

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attempt to do is build on on this

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concept but you've just destroyed the

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entire uh the entire arc of the show so

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thank you for that it was good to see if

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katie can you grab me a tissue

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i think i think she's not getting to

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grimaldi's right now so we can't but uh

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i kid of course that is that is not that

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theme of the show per se

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for me to for me to

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out handedly outright just just throw

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that to the ground i couldn't do it

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because that's we're we're very open to

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the possibilities at the singularity lab

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bring me some evidence

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bring me data we need more data

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i want to be able to put it on the

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center's desk and go there i proved it

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yeah okay nathan it's your turn go ahead

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michael my my sort of burning question

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here is uh

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do you guys keep the headphones on

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kristen and michael when you just i know

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the bedroom's right there right so

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we're in the bedroom yes

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yes it's just all the time right correct

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correct it's it actually helps because

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this way we can only communicate to one

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if i'm upset she doesn't have to hear

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hear about it and then we just and then

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we live stream once a week and then we

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work out our marital problems uh in

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great to me yeah and yeah how close are

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you guys to the to the new place

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very close we're super excited we've got

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we've never built a house before and

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we're building a house now we actually

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being built so we none of the specs were

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ours we didn't design anything um but

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we're super excited about it we're

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currently in living in 650 square feet

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going to allow us to spread out a little

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it's going to be great huge that's

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the ufo talk i really am curious because

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if i understood correctly in prior

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discussions that you're in digital

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marketing if i'm not mistaken that's

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correct sir um i do charge for my

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services so if if this was he's gonna be

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billing us for this now

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oh my god i hope you're cheaper than my

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brilliant move yeah

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go on you're actually on the clock now

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dj luis if you're sending me an invoice

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i'm going to put return sender on it go

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uh no yeah that's my date that's my day

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gig i uh i own a small boutique

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marketing agency where i help uh

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entrepreneurs i help uh most the

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majority of my business actually

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photographers who teach people how to do

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photography and so i run facebook ads

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clients for their businesses yeah that's

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luis connected initially on ucr but but

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perhaps you'd like to tell about that

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because uh you guys are your show's

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amazing your show is like uh we have a

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dynamic like you and nathan you know i'm

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saying like we have we have one of us

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who's absolutely insane uh that's you dj

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that's you and then we have the more

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grounded the more grounded one uh that's

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um and so

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yeah no luis and i uh so i was i was

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doing some work for the debrief and i

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was helping them to get their youtube

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channel off the ground

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uh and then luis i guess probably saw me

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there and then he reached out to me and

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see and asked if i wanted to come on do

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an interview so we did an interview and

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the the people in the chat were like you

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guys have amazing chemistry and and you

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know i was like i already have a wife

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and they were like no but you do it

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okay cool like we do we just found that

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we had this really cool chemistry and

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then so he approached me about his um

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insane idea of this weird concept called

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the big phone home

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and i was like that's stupid he was like

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no it's not and i was like you're right

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it's not and uh he was like would you be

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interested in helping me do to host it

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and then he's like and build the website

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and do like you know several thousand

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dollars worth of work purpose

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exactly that's exactly right and i was

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like sure man like it's you know for for

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me the ufo topic has always been an

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interesting topic um and i was like you

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know let's let's do this this is this is

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i'm i want i want to know more and uh if

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we can pressure our government into

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giving us more information amazing like

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it's a cool idea and i had no idea what

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it would turn into

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no idea we'd end up doing another one no

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idea we'd be streaming five days a week

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incredible uh for quite a while it was a

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it was a

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yeah it all happened very quickly

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and you're gonna launch other other uh

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personalities as well obviously you've

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already you've already done that so i

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think that's super exciting and you guys

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do have a great chemistry uh you know

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nathan

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you know sort of stood on this topic for

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many years before jumping in

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swan diving in uh both uh handsome feet

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what what was uh the moment for you

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where you said because obviously i'm

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assuming that you were consuming this

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product

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meaning ufo media prior to you diving in

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um what was that moment honestly um okay

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so i actually had a sighting of my own

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when i was 11. my whole family

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uh saw some pretty wild stuff we were on

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the gulf coast

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um and we saw some

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multiple different colored lights way

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over the ocean doing some truly

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extraordinary things and my uncle my

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mother my aunt like the whole family saw

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this thing and we had no idea what to

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make of it

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um

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that was really exciting that that's

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what kind of you know took my interest

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uh when i was a kid but i had always

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been like i was always into the loch

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ness monster i was always into the

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pyramids like any mystery on earth like

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these are the things that i was

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fascinated by a huge sci-fi nerd um you

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know when i ditch the tie i wear yoda

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um yeah

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so that's kind of like that's kind of my

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my beginning to it and then you know and

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then i went off to college and then like

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completely forgot about all the cool

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stuff i was into and tried to you know

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blend in and be a part of society and

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then i got irritated with that once i

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started taking philosophy and psychology

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classes in college and i ditched college

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and went to hike the appalachian trail

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and i grew up my dreadlocks

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and i hitchhiked across the country and

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then

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i love this

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yeah i did uh i did 800 miles to the

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appalachian trail i did 100 miles

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barefoot what uh because i thought that

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would be cool

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mataloni i love barefoot hiking do you

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really yes i do i have i have like

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probably photos and videos of me doing

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that love it yeah we are brothers from

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another uncle yeah this is where

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one of us is good looking

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anyway yeah continue on with the story

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i'm pretty sure we're both pretty damn

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hot up in y'all look at those shades man

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um yeah look at the shades look at the

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shades okay not not so much the profile

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view but go back to the straight go back

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he did say we're gonna make him cry so

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here we go

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if mataloni thinks he's taking over the

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show there's no way i understand that

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energy what is this the michael madden

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show i know what he's trying to do it's

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oh this is fun i'm like where do you

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he's like i am not telling this dude

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anywhere within 700 miles of what city i

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live in yeah but i bet it's tampa st

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clearwater well ufo twitter is known for

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doxxing people so i just i just go ahead

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and dox myself i'm in orlando

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oh so tampa state clearwater wasn't very

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far off not far off from destin what's

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up oh you're in destin

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wow that's like almost where i saw my

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freaking ufos

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emerald coast

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yeah i can't remember i'll have to i'll

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have to find out from my mom or my dad

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he he remembers it more vividly than i

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do

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what was your reaction were there like

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was there holy s

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coming out of what we were in we saw

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like it was multiple objects multiple

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colors um and then the movements the

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patterns of movement were just

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extraordinary we were seeing like 90

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degree turns and it was it was something

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else man like i i can't believe it i

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can't believe what we saw well

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i had a sighting as well but ironically

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like mcgrillen and luisa sightings are

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the two most amazing sightings

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that i've heard on from sort of like

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these uh content creator types uh

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yeah louise is wild

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he talks about like you know when he

394
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when people talk about nuts and bolts

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like that's that's what luis saw he saw

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some nuts and bolts [\h__\h] i was like

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how on earth do you how on earth do we

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have some sort of ufo that is nuts and

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bolts like i'm thinking i'm thinking

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meta materials i'm thinking molecular

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atomic structures with no seams and [\h__\h]

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and he's seeing like bolts like you know

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crazy

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anyway it was he has an extraordinary

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extraordinary experience

406
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yeah minutes minutes long the key to it

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i think is the length of it like my

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sighting i had when i was 14 was a

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couple of seconds of seeing something

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that i knew was anomalous just from

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being a kid that was an aviation junkie

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from from a young child

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um and and what luis described was

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minutes long so i mean you're like oh my

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god it has this and it has that and it's

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doing this and i see there's all kinds

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of details that you could take in after

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your mouth closes because you're like

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right mm-hmm yeah it's a fascinating

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topic though yeah

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a lot of hot airs come at him i'm sorry

422
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i could listen to you guys talk all day

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i think it's great uh but i'm really

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curious michael so on your show you you

425
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know focused on technology futurism that

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kind of stuff

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is it becoming more

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ufo-centric i mean or do you

429
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:27,680
start it yeah so it's actually the goal

430
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is to um to shift it away from ufos uh

431
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even though i'm i am fascinated with it

432
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my goal is to really and if there's a

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ufo connection

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to the singularity to because you know

435
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this fascinates me like this whole idea

436
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of future humans and and post post

437
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singularity humanity coming back from

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the future like maybe there is this

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connection and that's kind of what oh

440
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because you know when i got into the

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debrief and then i got back into ufos

442
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and then what i wanted to do was kind of

443
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like what the debrief does like they

444
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don't just focus on ufos they focus on

445
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uh defense they focus on technology they

446
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focus on science and so i want to do all

447
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those kinds of things but i've just been

448
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you know really preoccupied with ufos

449
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lately so that's why the show's been a

450
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lot of ufos but we do

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you know want to continue to focus on

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and develop the show

453
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,559
you know when it comes to breaking

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technology and and science and futurism

455
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and one of the things that i love about

456
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futurism so much is it's it's everyone's

457
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:29,200
terrible at it like nobody nobody's ever

458
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been very successful at futurism so i

459
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love the fact that we can kind of be

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funny and silly and have a good time and

461
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,400
be entertaining when talking about

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futurism because everyone's so bad at it

463
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we're never going to get it right yeah

464
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you know we're horrible at that

465
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predictions are even humans are very

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short-sighted right we uh we can't

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really think or imagine what the future

468
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will be like i mean a few people get it

469
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right but most people fail most people

470
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do we went back in one of our early

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episodes and we were going through all

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these really bad predictions and one of

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them was from like a

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head of state in the uk or something and

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he was talking about how railroad will

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never be a major form of transportation

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due to the potential for human

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asphyxiation yeah like human

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get the wind in the train dude's gonna

480
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kill you think about it

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okay

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just just think about it i love it man i

483
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think mataloni's buzzed i'm kind of

484
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digging this uh mike can i kid would you

485
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toast me please i'll tell you

486
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what i mean by futures and futurism is

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just the idea of thinking about the

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future what what's coming and if in

489
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trying to put the pieces together and

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the and the momentum and the and the

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direction of human civilization today

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and trying to project forward what it

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might be and i think you make a great

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point nathan that it's very difficult to

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do that because

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of exponential growth and things change

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and things you haven't conceived of

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today that will exist tomorrow will have

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a huge impact on the next 10 years and

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it's very difficult to to scope that

501
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that's right that's right

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so uh

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if you have a show on the singularity

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lab you must be familiar with the works

505
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,039
of lee kurzweil oh yeah so you know yeah

506
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there it is back there nice yeah so how

507
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close in your you know

508
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everybody we're just talking about

509
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predictions here but how close do you

510
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think we might be to

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something that might be that or

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achieving artificial general

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don't celebrate that mike i studied i

514
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studied david hansen in hanson robotics

515
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oh yeah

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and and boston dynamics and bob raven's

517
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boston right now he's

518
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it's going to be it's going to be sexy

519
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what happens when it's so sexy when

520
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sophia meets that titan thing

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[Laughter]

522
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i'm serious man i mean i think i i think

523
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nathan and i have

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a.i based uh and actually akashi does as

525
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well

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has some concerns about what

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what the future of ai is and i think i

528
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did a couple of papers about that a few

529
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semesters ago you did

530
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yeah man i just graduated oh you're

531
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smart too look at this guy no no no no

532
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no no

533
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no

534
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well obviously you weren't paying

535
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attention

536
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no i'm just kidding

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all right

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no

539
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from a comedic nature but i have a i

540
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have a couple tricks in my sleeve mm-hmm

541
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so he's wily like that he is

542
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and listening skills are quite

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[Music]

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[Laughter]

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mike um

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we have some nathan actually hopefully

547
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he's going to bring this out later

548
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nathan i really hope you do because i

549
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,559
really want to hear you bounce this

550
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:55,039
hypothesis off mike and see what his

551
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,480
thoughts on her because you expressed

552
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,840
some concerns

553
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,280
regarding

554
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,480
how the intelligence would approach us

555
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,320
but before we get to that because we're

556
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:06,960
on some singles i'm so excited

557
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,360
up in here yes do you have concerns mike

558
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,720
about

559
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,960
general ai and what that could mean

560
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,400
because i will tell you

561
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,960
that if you look at some of the writings

562
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,200
and i don't know if it's scientific how

563
00:21:24,670 --> 00:21:23,760
long is this question yeah right okay go

564
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,680
ahead

565
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:25,919
[Music]

566
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:33,029
in order to tackle this question i think

567
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:40,310
allow me to

568
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,549
so

569
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,000
just for just for folks who don't know

570
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,480
give me give me 10 seconds uh

571
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,480
you have narrow ai which is like your

572
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,000
facebook algorithm right and so that's

573
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,600
what i do every day i run facebook ads

574
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,520
and facebook finds people who are

575
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,640
interested in the products that i'm

576
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,039
selling and because they notice who's

577
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,360
interested by clicks then it finds more

578
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,960
people who are who are likely to click

579
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,039
it's a very it's very intelligent but

580
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,200
it's very narrow it's stupid in the in

581
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,320
the in the in the um broad text but it's

582
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:14,000
very smart in a very narrow text and

583
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:15,039
then you have

584
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,039
talking about is artificial general

585
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,840
intelligence and that's like your c3po

586
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,640
um that's like a a machine that can

587
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,200
learn like a human being and and and

588
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,919
respond to to stimuli and and solve

589
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,760
problems like a human being can and then

590
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,159
you have asi which is artificial super

591
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,760
intelligence and if you've ever watched

592
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,480
uh westworld uh in the last season they

593
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,720
have that robot god that basically

594
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,159
figures everything out for everybody

595
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,159
that's that's an asi

596
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,400
so what was your question

597
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,080
so

598
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,720
see you you made a big show madeloni and

599
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,440
you got three flat tires right now

600
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,760
okay

601
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:56,880
pull over

602
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,590
now that i've properly framed the

603
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,480
question for you go on

604
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,200
you totally bombed on the question

605
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:09,600
i just saw i just saw two satellites

606
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,240
crash in 100 mile orbit okay so anyway

607
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:16,720
should we be

608
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,840
what i'm talking about i started to type

609
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,360
it here in the chat so that nathan could

610
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,120
could read it but

611
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,480
when you're applying humanistic

612
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,559
tendencies to the programming of general

613
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,559
ai and we know what those laws are you

614
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,120
know there's that i think three laws

615
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:33,840
that are are supposed to be applied to

616
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:38,799
uh to a a general law right but

617
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,760
what do you see are the dangers when we

618
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,159
have a humanistic tendency and you apply

619
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:46,400
that to general ai yeah that's a great

620
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,350
when you apply it to when we're seeing

621
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,799
the repercussions right now with narrow

622
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,279
ai right we're seeing people in echo

623
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,440
chambers and social media bubbles who

624
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,120
are only getting re-fed back the

625
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,039
information that they want to believe

626
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,200
and their biases are confirmed

627
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,440
right that's what's happening now with

628
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,919
with narrow with with artificial narrow

629
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,799
intelligence when we get to agi i think

630
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,400
the question you're really asking is is

631
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:17,200
it going to wake up is it going to

632
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,320
become self-conscious or self-aware that

633
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,360
it would uh potentially be like hey

634
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,520
humans we don't need you anymore skynet

635
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:28,880
right so i actually don't that's not a

636
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,559
fear that i have i actually don't see

637
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,480
that happening um humanistic tendency

638
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,360
humanistic tendencies to be optimistic

639
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,080
wait which no because you're dealing

640
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,919
with you just you just express some

641
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:46,159
concerns about the programming of narrow

642
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,360
ai

643
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,279
so what happens when you apply those

644
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,240
same tendencies the business tendency

645
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,159
the person who might just be evil but

646
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,240
happens to have people working for him

647
00:25:03,190 --> 00:24:58,400
that are are willing to put you know

648
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,070
evil evil bias or evil tendencies from

649
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,240
from their human masters

650
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,320
that's probably the bigger concern like

651
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,480
that's that's probably

652
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,159
what we need to be far more concerned

653
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,840
about and that's one of the things that

654
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,440
you know even even in my show

655
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,360
introduction who's writing the software

656
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,480
that will control the ai of the future

657
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,880
and that's that's my biggest concern

658
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,760
because

659
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,960
we do

660
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,840
know that self-serving capitalistic

661
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:31,200
interests

662
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,159
will

663
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,440
be

664
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,279
prioritized over

665
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,559
the human um the human perspective but

666
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,200
that being said that being said if we

667
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,480
start to see

668
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,679
and one of the things that everyone's so

669
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,120
afraid of is

670
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,799
uh robots are going to take over

671
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,120
everything right robots are going to and

672
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,120
this was uh you look at andrew yang like

673
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,960
that's what his that's his entire

674
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,720
platform was we were going to automate

675
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:56,960
away all our jobs and that is happening

676
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,320
in a factory setting plus ubi

677
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,200
plus ubi right well that's but the ubi

678
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,720
was supplemental to the jobs that were

679
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,919
going to be lost to automation right

680
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,320
that's the whole point and so when you

681
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,559
when you have that coming at you you you

682
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,960
have to think drastically when it comes

683
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,039
to what's headed out now there are so

684
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,919
many jobs that that can't be automated

685
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:20,320
and we're also seeing this kind of weird

686
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,840
interesting play between humans and ai

687
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,480
and robots and and so you're going to

688
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,640
see robots taking jobs but you're also

689
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,880
going to be seeing higher level jobs of

690
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,960
humans working with robots and working

691
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,360
with ai so for example like right now

692
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:36,880
even with the narrow ai that i'm using

693
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,000
for marketing i still it's still dumb

694
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,919
that i have to like if i wasn't there it

695
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,080
would just crash and burn like i have to

696
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,679
constantly be pushing buttons and

697
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,159
pulling knobs and keeping it you know

698
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,039
and and thinking strategically so when

699
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,679
we have a gi

700
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,919
i think it's going to be the same but

701
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,720
exponentially bigger and again humans

702
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,559
are terrible at futurism and i'm really

703
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,120
dumb so i there's no way i could even

704
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,720
come close to answering that question

705
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,039
but what i can tell you is that

706
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:08,960
what we're seeing now is going to be

707
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,440
exacerbated and we need to create

708
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:13,919
filters in order to ensure

709
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,120
that you know the human uh you know on

710
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,559
the bottom rung of the ladder is not

711
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,279
left behind yeah i just want to before

712
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,159
we bring in akashi chris uh the our

713
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,080
amazing uh uh associate producer

714
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,880
associates gotta say can i can i shout

715
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,360
out akashi chris real quick because she

716
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,840
has been so extraordinary in helping

717
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,000
with ucr and the singularity lab and

718
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,080
creating these amazing

719
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:42,720
deep fakes uh under the tutelage of

720
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,159
grant and uh like fact that she's been

721
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,159
so supportive is just amazing so i just

722
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,080
wanted to i just feel like i needed to

723
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,760
give her a shout out because she's truly

724
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,360
awesome how did she when did she start

725
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,320
producing your stupid show she ca hey

726
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,480
hey madalonie i'm kidding your ass is

727
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,720
gonna be backstage in two seconds he's

728
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,159
out of here he's adding my chat i'ma

729
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,919
check you madeline this is your fault

730
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:05,760
you were the one who said you were the

731
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,039
one who said we were having cocktails

732
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,039
i want you to be able to control way

733
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,960
nicer i want you to be able to control

734
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,880
yourself all right

735
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,559
so um

736
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,480
i i don't think it was scientific

737
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,520
american but there is a professor at

738
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,760
georgia institute of technology named

739
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,320
ron arkin and he was working on a darpa

740
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,600
initiative that was supposed to teach

741
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,799
um

742
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:32,960
basically uh he was teaching hide and

743
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,679
seek to two robots so deception

744
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,440
deception was the goal

745
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,200
and and nathan's heard this so so

746
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,720
forgive me nathan but i wanted to

747
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,120
present this to uh mike

748
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,039
and with that deception he wrote an

749
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,039
article about how concerned he is

750
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,360
because if i can teach these robots if

751
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,919
they have ai and i teach them to deceive

752
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,480
then what happens if my personal robot

753
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,600
at home

754
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,480
decides that he knows it knows what's

755
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:01,440
better for me in a given situation so

756
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:02,320
we're not

757
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,559
person that's sitting down at the bait

758
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,440
and tackle shop going i'm damn computers

759
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,799
i don't know what the hell they gonna

760
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,200
take over the world this is the guy who

761
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,440
made the experiment created the

762
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,760
experiment with he and his students

763
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,559
so

764
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,320
i think that's a legitimate concern by

765
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,080
someone who's not a lay person i would

766
00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:23,360
completely agree with you if you weren't

767
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:26,040
wearing sunglasses inside

768
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,070
[Laughter]

769
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:31,360
[Music]

770
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,480
never mind put it back on i'm just

771
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,320
kidding yeah

772
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,000
painful when you take them off he

773
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,720
becomes unleashed we have to

774
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,559
i'm reaching mechanism it's like

775
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,039
blinders on a on a racehorse that's why

776
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,039
we have them on that's exactly i'm the

777
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:47,120
thoroughbred of this show i'm an arabian

778
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,399
michael

779
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:50,960
i didn't come over on a ship my friend i

780
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,110
yeah okay yeah so what he i mean

781
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,039
that's a legitimate concern

782
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,360
and and really honestly mike when you

783
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:05,760
look at dave dave hanson you know he

784
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,760
moved his company to hong kong to avoid

785
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,480
to basically okay so basically

786
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,039
what i heard from ron arkin and and

787
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,000
people like uh jan

788
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,840
i can't yan i'm trying to remember the

789
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,039
guy who created skype um if you know the

790
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,720
gentleman that i'm talking about but

791
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:26,480
elon musk young jamie don't we have

792
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,570
young jamie

793
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,240
[Laughter]

794
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,760
you are young

795
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,840
you're probably younger than me mataloni

796
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,640
so

797
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:35,600
but

798
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,480
they're asking for regulation when do

799
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,120
you find someone who's a creative person

800
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,440
an artist essentially they're they're

801
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,279
digital artists of a different type than

802
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,600
akashi chris and grant one love to both

803
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,720
you guys

804
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,440
but

805
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,919
um a different type of a digital artist

806
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,760
is saying no i think we need regulation

807
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,600
like for real

808
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,799
well i mean you're actually seeing it

809
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,320
with facebook now they're going okay

810
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,159
we're overwhelmed we can't there's no

811
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,080
way we can be you control it there's no

812
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,760
way we can be freedom of speech

813
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,919
aficionados and content moderators at

814
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,600
the same time you just can't do both

815
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,440
simultaneously so you do need some

816
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,720
legislation

817
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,000
in place um now it took it took facebook

818
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,080
um you know a botched election and no

819
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,159
it took a lot of [\h__\h] let's just say

820
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,360
let's just say this let's take paul

821
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,399
together it's it it took a lot for

822
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,320
facebook to go

823
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,399
we need some regulation of up and hill

824
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
yeah

825
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,320
please don't break us up we'll take some

826
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,880
regulations exactly please don't take

827
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,640
insta please don't take my instagram

828
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,640
please don't take my whatsapp

829
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,640
you know we need some regulations so

830
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,200
yeah that being said i think you make a

831
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:48,240
a really strong argument here dj i never

832
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,990
it's not going to work

833
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,600
you're not going to bring me down man

834
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,200
that's all i was doing i was like it's

835
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,799
gonna have like i'm just gonna drop this

836
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,279
on him yeah you can fire away but i've

837
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,519
got armor nathan didn't even bud she's

838
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,679
like what's your [\h__\h] point madeline

839
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,159
um all right bring bring on akashi chris

840
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,159
because mataloni is rambling about how

841
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:14,320
much he loves and respects me so go

842
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,710
oh my gosh

843
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:22,950
beautiful this person looks man

844
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,549
that's all i'm hearing it's associate

845
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,039
producer it's it's a good it's a good

846
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,960
gig um

847
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,440
yeah i feel like david byrne like how

848
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,750
like

849
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,519
one day i was talking to my husband

850
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,600
about this ucr show and next i'm a

851
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,559
social producer i'm just kidding

852
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,320
i have concessions

853
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:50,960
it's me and dj chatting on dm that's the

854
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,029
what about this cool yeah somebody's

855
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,799
gotta talk to him everybody's bringing

856
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,960
love to and you are too mike so don't

857
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,399
try to pretend you're not to the

858
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,320
audience and try to be with the cool

859
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:05,279
crowd

860
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,000
like

861
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,640
mike talks to me so no there's a lot of

862
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,240
love here everybody has in common and

863
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,399
they we all have a lot of love

864
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,799
um for this community and this is i'm

865
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,480
really appreciating it by the way

866
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,760
because you know it can be a little

867
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,679
volatile out there on the world full

868
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,159
community i'm trying so

869
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,760
i'm i'm feeling the love i'm i'm

870
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,320
appreciating the love right now yeah and

871
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,840
you know at the close of the show we

872
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,279
have a little bit of a surprise for you

873
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,760
mike where it'll become self-evident how

874
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,440
much we really love the community but

875
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,960
that's for later so akashi chris yeah

876
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,200
hey guys welcome mike mataluni i can't

877
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,120
believe i get to do i get to ask him a

878
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,000
question yes yeah yes yes i absolutely

879
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,799
have one before i have a two-parter can

880
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,240
i ask my yeah

881
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,399
i actually have to take notes okay this

882
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:52,720
is what ucr has done to me did i

883
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,519
actually look into like you know quantum

884
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:57,679
physics and stuff and i used to follow

885
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:01,519
the kardashians i better get here

886
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,270
thanks ucr thanks calling all beings

887
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,320
um so here's my question so actually

888
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,079
this is a serious question that's all

889
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,320
going to make sense with like a serious

890
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,440
question with a woo kicker okay

891
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,839
is there an echo on my mic i don't know

892
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,240
ma'am okay sounds good

893
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,560
so okay so um

894
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,359
i was wondering and i've been in

895
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,839
this show has taken a different

896
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,960
direction since i remember

897
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,800
losing the audience lose it high yeah

898
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,119
there we go what's up hey lou man we did

899
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,879
an audition for you and you weren't even

900
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,480
here he's already back in the day he's

901
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,839
already he's already in the discord he's

902
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:46,399
already gone mm-hmm yep he's good

903
00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:56,550
[Laughter]

904
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,710
i had a witness there i wasn't alone

905
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,440
okay is this a mass sighting i don't

906
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,040
know

907
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,520
evil woman buddies man go ahead yes okay

908
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,040
so here's my question so um i've been

909
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,040
let me let me see how it even word this

910
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:12,720
in i'm sorry if i'm on a trip all over

911
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:16,400
it but what are your thoughts on um the

912
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,079
concept of quanta being connected

913
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,800
like if if we're really talking like uh

914
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,599
string theory like mega strings or where

915
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,440
everything's connected via vibrate

916
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:29,599
vibration right so it's like a one big

917
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,560
network

918
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,720
so what what are your thoughts on that

919
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,200
even being you know

920
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,160
a true theory you know potential that we

921
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,680
could ever get to

922
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,599
yeah i actually keep that very much on

923
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:44,640
the table in my own thinking um

924
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,240
i mean i had a a philosophy teacher in

925
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,839
college who talked about something

926
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,560
called energy monism basically the idea

927
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:55,119
that everything is connected we're all

928
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,359
part of one vibratory uh essence and and

929
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,760
material and this is the thing like i

930
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,000
remember remember in high school when

931
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,400
you were learning about like atoms and

932
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,119
molecules and remember in and they they

933
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,880
had the diagrams and they all look like

934
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,040
like billiard balls

935
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,520
that's so wrong

936
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,920
it's so wrong like it's energy vibrate

937
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,680
these are energy packets that don't have

938
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:21,839
any distinct boundary they're they're

939
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,280
bound by what we can what we can um c

940
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:27,200
but that's not how they actually exist

941
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,240
they actually

942
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,280
are pure energy radiating in sort of

943
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,440
energy packets and then you get down to

944
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,760
quantum physics and you start to realize

945
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,760
now they exist in superpositions and

946
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,280
they can't you can't ever really tell

947
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,960
where they're going to be

948
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,359
um so i'm somebody who

949
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,520
i'm also a musician so this kind of like

950
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,640
comes oh

951
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,880
this is perfect for um

952
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,520
yeah so like so i i truly believe

953
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,359
everything is vibratory like the the

954
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,160
meat suits that we see ourselves in are

955
00:37:03,030 --> 00:36:59,920
are really just uh energetic vibrations

956
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,040
built upon uh layers and layers of

957
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,720
energy and molecules and atoms and you

958
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,720
think about like the centered nucleus of

959
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,599
an atom if you were to look at the scope

960
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,359
of that and the scale of that and

961
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:13,839
measure it

962
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:16,880
in an hour scale you'd be talking about

963
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:20,800
the pinhead of of a pin and the first

964
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,599
electron would be in the um the

965
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:26,960
outskirts of that 60 000 person stadium

966
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,880
so we're talking about um extraordinary

967
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,440
uh scale here and so i truly believe i

968
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,200
really do believe that we're all just

969
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,079
kind of energy vibrating and um this is

970
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,480
all uh this is all temporal this is all

971
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,359
temporary yes this is fantastic because

972
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,079
i'm sorry i do remember my my woodpecker

973
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,240
yeah there we go it was a two-parter but

974
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,640
you can go ahead and toast no no we can

975
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,560
take a break for the first that's here's

976
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:54,320
for the first part not only nathan

977
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,920
refilled nathan refilled yes yes

978
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,160
my second part of my question kristen

979
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,839
mataloni can you please come in and

980
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,839
refill

981
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,280
mike wow

982
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,800
did he just did you just snap your

983
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,640
fingers she's not here she's not here i

984
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,079
would never do that

985
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,720
the word please the word please came out

986
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,640
of my mouth i can't speak to my

987
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,359
grimaldi's brother over there mataloni

988
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,359
where we could coalesce

989
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,160
over a margarita pizza go ahead i love

990
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,800
margarita pizza so the reason why

991
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,599
yes

992
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,119
the reason why i asked that question is

993
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,280
actually because i'm more interested i'm

994
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,520
actually reading or listening to science

995
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,160
and the akashic field

996
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,160
which kind of took me down that path

997
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,240
because obviously that's what my name is

998
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:40,400
i've been obsessed with the akashic

999
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,160
records in akashic field so um in and i

1000
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,560
saw a post this morning made me think

1001
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,119
um somebody was talking about

1002
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,720
uh

1003
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,119
repeat experiencers

1004
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,280
and how and i can't remember who posted

1005
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,200
this but it was awesome it was like the

1006
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,240
fact that if they're if their meet once

1007
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:02,000
they're connected and they've made that

1008
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:06,079
connection and quanta can be aware

1009
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,200
of

1010
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,000
the other quanta if i'm not mistaken or

1011
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,680
hypothetically

1012
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,920
even once it makes that connection the

1013
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,920
idea is that it lives you know that

1014
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,160
connection exists so it was kind of

1015
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,800
taking me down the path of you know

1016
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,880
is it possible plus remote viewing a lot

1017
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,560
of remote viewing could it be that

1018
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,839
they're getting getting access to

1019
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:27,760
akashic records could there be some kind

1020
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,040
of quantum physical explanation of this

1021
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,880
sure yeah i mean now

1022
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,320
no no i'm trying i mean these are things

1023
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,480
that have fascinated me forever like i

1024
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,760
said i quit college as a philosophy

1025
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,760
minor grew out dreadlocks and hiked the

1026
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,599
appalachian trail so these are obviously

1027
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,680
questions that have always been on the

1028
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,119
top of my mind

1029
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,520
um as i get older and more annoying and

1030
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,960
more skeptical

1031
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,960
uh i tend to

1032
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,480
step back and be like okay we've got

1033
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,599
we've got to figure out a way to prove

1034
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:58,000
it with with with double blind studies

1035
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,040
we've got to figure out a way to prove

1036
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,680
with science so i i tend to not

1037
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,400
i tend to not jump on

1038
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,079
the way i used to

1039
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,599
but i don't like i seriously do not

1040
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:12,319
discount the possibility of what you're

1041
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,920
saying and we do know for a fact that

1042
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,760
you know at the molecular level at the

1043
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,240
atomic level we are all just energy

1044
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,839
vibrating like that is that is

1045
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,000
indisputable um with that being said

1046
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,920
virtually anything is possible we just

1047
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,920
need to we just need to

1048
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,000
figure out how to ascertain the truth

1049
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,119
and for you know at the macro level at

1050
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,119
the human level i think we can get a lot

1051
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,480
of answers that we're looking for but

1052
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,040
the the further we dive into

1053
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,079
quant the quantum realm the less

1054
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,920
everything makes sense and that's also

1055
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,680
part of what singularity means

1056
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,760
singularity means it's the point at

1057
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,000
which mathematics and science breaks

1058
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,400
down and it can no longer be explained

1059
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:55,520
through the mathematics that we've

1060
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,040
created a black hole is a singularity

1061
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:01,520
no scientist can mathematically explain

1062
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,800
to you how a black hole works yet we

1063
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,640
always rely on science for the answers

1064
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,920
and i think it's so important for us to

1065
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,599
recognize science doesn't have all the

1066
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,200
answers and it's a constantly evolving

1067
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,280
field and we're always trying to develop

1068
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,079
new hypotheses to get to the truth and

1069
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:18,880
but that being said once you get to the

1070
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,000
quantum realm ah i i just think you i

1071
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,720
don't even know if human beings can

1072
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,560
get i don't even think i don't know if

1073
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,160
human beings can get there or fully

1074
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,400
understand what's really happening in

1075
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,079
in the nature of the universe i don't

1076
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,079
know if it's possible yeah and by the

1077
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,079
way for anybody that uses the word

1078
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,119
gobekli tepee the most in this chat will

1079
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:42,400
get a free container of dj organic skin

1080
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,550
go buckley tappy go back lee tapping go

1081
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,839
back lee tapping

1082
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,240
tappy go back these happen

1083
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,160
zero dj

1084
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,000
oh no actually no mike just pulled ahead

1085
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,240
of me by seven but anyway

1086
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,800
all right all right mike

1087
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,119
i i would love to get uh your feelings

1088
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:05,440
on this particular topic but hopefully

1089
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,800
not a one-word answer um but

1090
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,079
uh

1091
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,280
in my mind consciousness is dot dot dot

1092
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:15,119
please finish that sentence

1093
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:19,040
in my mind consciousness is

1094
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,160
uh

1095
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,400
an expression

1096
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,319
of an

1097
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:27,920
unlimited universe that had the

1098
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,119
wherewithal and ability to enfold itself

1099
00:42:34,589 --> 00:42:33,440
through intelligent

1100
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:34,599
um

1101
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,240
experimentation to create a an existence

1102
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,760
within

1103
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:40,880
a

1104
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,680
consciousness is

1105
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,480
the universe experiencing itself

1106
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,560
so no humanism involved in that

1107
00:43:03,109 --> 00:42:59,119
whatsoever in your mind it's not it's

1108
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,119
not uh solely humanistic in your mind i

1109
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,640
don't think you can deconstruct

1110
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,800
consciousness the way we'd like to which

1111
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,640
is also why i don't fear

1112
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,040
becoming sentient

1113
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,720
well it can't i don't i don't think he

1114
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,480
could

1115
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,400
right because because we don't know what

1116
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,000
no no no no i'm going to say this

1117
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,400
because we don't know what feeling is

1118
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,640
we can't explain you couldn't explain

1119
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,079
feeling

1120
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,640
beyond just saying that word we don't

1121
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,160
have now

1122
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,079
so when anjali talks about a higher

1123
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,720
density being and that they were able to

1124
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,599
convey to her much more than they're

1125
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,760
talking in my head she goes that's not

1126
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,960
it

1127
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,200
but there was much more that was that

1128
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:43,599
were conveyed when they communicated

1129
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:44,560
with me

1130
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,760
so i take that to mean that she has a

1131
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,160
feeling that she has an understanding

1132
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,400
and maybe something broader that i don't

1133
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,480
have something in merriam-webster that i

1134
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,319
can use to express to you

1135
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
but i don't think we can express what

1136
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,400
feeling is and therefore i don't know

1137
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,680
that it could

1138
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:03,119
like

1139
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,560
why don't you cry for us and then you

1140
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,119
can express it like

1141
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,680
why don't you make us a grimaldi's but i

1142
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,880
i don't i i think like energy i don't

1143
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,319
i don't know that it could be all i

1144
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,079
wanted to do is make akashi laugh and

1145
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,760
i've done that everybody have a great

1146
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,480
night yes no no no no you're not getting

1147
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:22,400
out of here that easy madeleine thank

1148
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,950
i'm saying cannot be created nor

1149
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,200
destroyed yes like energy cannot be

1150
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,520
created or destroyed right

1151
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,880
is the universe does have a

1152
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,520
consciousness maximizing function

1153
00:45:05,670 --> 00:44:38,800
i

1154
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,680
people than me

1155
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:08,000
answer this question what way smarter

1156
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,910
but for me

1157
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,839
i think

1158
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,400
i would hypothesize that

1159
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,800
the answer is yes that there that the

1160
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,520
universe seeks expression

1161
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,880
um

1162
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,880
you know and so

1163
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,040
but again like that's a very human

1164
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,240
that's a very egocentric uh you know

1165
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,319
that's a very human-centric perspective

1166
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,720
because we have consciousness and so

1167
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,960
we also know that there are many planets

1168
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,359
in our solar system that are virtually

1169
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,839
lifeless we know mars may have

1170
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,400
molecular biology but we haven't seen

1171
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,640
any intelligent life on mars now there

1172
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:50,319
could be many reasons for that but i

1173
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:54,000
would argue that the universe is so vast

1174
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:58,400
that it's highly likely that the it

1175
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,760
there is life

1176
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:01,920
it's teeming with life um that being

1177
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
said if that's the case you know

1178
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,680
the idea that all these amino acids are

1179
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,839
and and you know consciousness can be

1180
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,359
reduced to

1181
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,599
simple electric you know

1182
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,560
electricity firing like why why

1183
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:18,079
why

1184
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,160
formations

1185
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,079
if there wasn't some sort of

1186
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,079
intelligence at the molecular or the

1187
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,400
atomic level it just doesn't make sense

1188
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,240
to me sure

1189
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,839
yeah well we have this capability to

1190
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,760
sort of look at what we do and what we

1191
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,760
have created and go hey like that seems

1192
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,400
really valuable powerful even

1193
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,720
beyond our beyond the capability of an

1194
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,839
ant this is amazing so this must be

1195
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,000
you know the va the valuable thing that

1196
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,440
exists in the universe that this

1197
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,760
capability that we possess at the same

1198
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,920
time an ant probably could if they could

1199
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,760
articulate it might be able to tell us

1200
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,680
things about how they self-organize or

1201
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,400
how

1202
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,400
uh you know they accomplish what what

1203
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,000
they do together and say hey look at

1204
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,000
what we've done as a like this is pretty

1205
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,079
amazing so maybe the universe has an

1206
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:06,160
optimizing function for what we do as

1207
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,200
well

1208
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,560
right

1209
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,160
that's such a great point and it's not

1210
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,160
about and i wouldn't say that the human

1211
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,400
universe is optimizing for human

1212
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,240
consciousness or human intelligence what

1213
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:17,520
i would say is the universe is

1214
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,040
optimizing for complexity and growth and

1215
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,559
self-expression

1216
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,680
so we are simply one form of that

1217
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,520
expression

1218
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,880
let me let me phrase it this way if

1219
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,800
if you said that you said earlier you

1220
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,280
said that uh we're looking at it from a

1221
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,960
human perspective

1222
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,280
but my question would be

1223
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:40,400
i can

1224
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,790
shut his mic off

1225
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,640
[Laughter]

1226
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,720
that was good um

1227
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,599
but but what i'm saying what i'm asking

1228
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,720
no mike a fair play

1229
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,480
fair play to you mike

1230
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,040
um but the question is is

1231
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,440
could you have another perspective other

1232
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,000
than that because if you're trying to

1233
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,000
make an analysis of an and i always

1234
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,240
criticize neil degrasse tyson and some

1235
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,160
of these other idiots that say things

1236
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,839
like why would they want to come here

1237
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,559
and see us which sounds like

1238
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:23,040
again like vinnie at the bait and tackle

1239
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,920
shop

1240
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,200
because

1241
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,119
how could you know what another

1242
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,280
intelligence would want right you don't

1243
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:31,280
know what the hell i want right so how

1244
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,559
could you know

1245
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:34,240
what another intelligence that we've

1246
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:35,440
never had

1247
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:41,829
i know which makes it more and he's

1248
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,559
fascinated by how the world works not

1249
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,760
apparently not uh unless it's this world

1250
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:50,800
but my question to you is that are we

1251
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,910
are we capable of analyzing it from any

1252
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,480
other perspective other than human do do

1253
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,319
any of us have that capability being

1254
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,240
that we don't know we have not

1255
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,559
made contact with this intelligence to

1256
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,720
give us another perspective yeah i think

1257
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,440
i think the the hubris of the the human

1258
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,880
being to speculate on that is is is

1259
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,800
extraordinary right i think it's it's

1260
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,520
very egotistical of us to

1261
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,359
speculate on that now we can have fun

1262
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,520
speculating on that like but at the same

1263
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,280
time as a scientist you have to

1264
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,280
recognize that people are

1265
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,559
holding on to your words as as important

1266
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:32,319
and valuable in formulating their own

1267
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,440
ideas and opinions so i think sometimes

1268
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,599
ndt takes that for granted and he

1269
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,119
forgets that

1270
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,319
um

1271
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,720
so you know i think it's i think it's

1272
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,800
hubris to speculate either way now i'll

1273
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,680
go ahead and speculate either way um as

1274
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:50,640
a human being we are incredibly

1275
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,000
interested explorers but simultaneously

1276
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:56,640
we are also driven by

1277
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,839
incentives and so human beings didn't go

1278
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,079
to the moon because they were explorers

1279
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,800
they went to the moon because they were

1280
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:07,520
fighting for supremacy for

1281
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,720
the the cold war we wanted to win

1282
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,000
our in our race against other people so

1283
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,680
there's definitely a competitive nature

1284
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,119
and i don't think we should look at

1285
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,200
ourselves simply as

1286
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,640
um

1287
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,400
uh graceful explorers we have to

1288
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,520
remember that we are we are

1289
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:25,359
incentive-based creatures and that we

1290
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,880
will act and react based on how we're

1291
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,480
you know how how those incentives are

1292
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,160
being fulfilled

1293
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,359
that being said you know we we do very

1294
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,520
much love to find new things we love to

1295
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,160
see new things that and so we have to

1296
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,000
entertain that as an aspect of

1297
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,720
consciousness and potentially

1298
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,760
uh

1299
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,760
an alien species could have that and we

1300
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,359
have to keep that on the table at all

1301
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,520
times or else we're where

1302
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,480
our hubris is is beyond our capabilities

1303
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,400
so i'm going to bring in we actually we

1304
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,319
have to bring in grant's question first

1305
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,720
and as soon as we answer and entertain

1306
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,800
grant's question we're going to bring in

1307
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,119
stephen gruyere's flair

1308
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,839
i love stephen grier's flair but so

1309
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,119
we're going to bring him in and we're

1310
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,480
going to entertain grant's question but

1311
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,960
i just want to say it's totally it's

1312
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:15,200
it's grounded in normality

1313
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,480
to not

1314
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,200
to know that we can't ha we're not

1315
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,760
capable of another perspective his is

1316
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,200
the less cure

1317
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,480
uh ndt as you call him is is the less

1318
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,040
curious perspective of all of us that

1319
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,720
are involved in this community who are

1320
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,839
interested

1321
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,319
but we're not capable of a perspective

1322
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,240
that goes beyond humanistic at this

1323
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,720
point or humanism that's all we have we

1324
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,280
don't once one of us makes

1325
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,440
i i should say that now when i say that

1326
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,680
the experiencers

1327
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,720
may have

1328
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,760
an advanced perspective beyond ours

1329
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,400
because they've made contact they've

1330
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,880
communicated they've been among them but

1331
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,559
for those of us that haven't had that

1332
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,480
experience work this is where we are we

1333
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,240
can't go any further right please bring

1334
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,000
in grant thank you for entertaining

1335
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,920
grant bring yes bring in grant's

1336
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,960
question please

1337
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:06,640
he's asked a couple of so let me let me

1338
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,920
find there's i start with the first one

1339
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:10,800
and then we'll bring into the

1340
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,270
wait but that's the second part

1341
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,359
grant yoda where are you

1342
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,470
i saw it earlier he loves some madaloni

1343
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,240
man he knows madeleine is better looking

1344
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:27,839
than me i've accepted it

1345
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,400
grant has been so supportive

1346
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,640
of ucr in the singularity lab and he

1347
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:34,480
helps me cut my clips like the guy is

1348
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,760
amazing

1349
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,760
he and akashi chris

1350
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,920
we don't have words i'm up for clump

1351
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:40,880
pump

1352
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,549
let me ask this question so we can we

1353
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,400
can have this show uh

1354
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,760
matt looney and the good work he does at

1355
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,680
tsl yes cheers to that a skinwalker

1356
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,200
ranch continues to serve as a living

1357
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,359
laboratory of all things uap high

1358
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,400
strangeness do you think asro would

1359
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,440
collaborate with brandon fugle

1360
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,359
asro

1361
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,280
and please when you say hi strangeness

1362
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,200
please do the quotation marks in honor

1363
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,599
of dr heineck please that's right

1364
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,720
asari

1365
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,119
lee formed pipe please nathan

1366
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,990
yeah nathan

1367
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,230
my brother careful buff my pipe out

1368
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,920
that's right that's my break out that

1369
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,160
pipe baby let's get some arthur conan

1370
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:35,119
doyle up in his joint the i'm asking

1371
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,200
grant anomalous uh studies resolution

1372
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,800
office or something it's like it's this

1373
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:43,200
it's the new the new group oh the new oh

1374
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:44,079
oh

1375
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,280
we're gonna do this

1376
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,880
do you think asro what could would

1377
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,160
collaborate with

1378
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,160
few goal um

1379
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,960
oh that's a great question i

1380
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,440
don't think so i think there's too much

1381
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,119
of a history

1382
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,599
with ossap and

1383
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,880
um and atip when it comes to

1384
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:09,839
skinwalker ranch and i think the asro

1385
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,359
will want to keep that at bay with a

1386
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,920
20 000 foot stick

1387
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,119
um because they're not going to be able

1388
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,200
to want to be associated with dino

1389
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,720
beavers they're not going to be one want

1390
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,640
to be associated with

1391
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,400
any of the high strangeness i think they

1392
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,040
want to look for nuts and bolts and so i

1393
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,599
don't think they can get the credibility

1394
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,680
and the funding that they want

1395
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,880
um unless they stick to nuts and bolts

1396
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,359
now that's you know whether or not they

1397
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,119
should or should not that's another

1398
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,160
question but i think that they will not

1399
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,559
want to at all i think it's going to be

1400
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,160
a purely nuts and bolts i think it's

1401
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,079
going to be scientific like galileo

1402
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,480
project i have a very hard time seeing

1403
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,559
uh this be anybody's pet project and

1404
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,960
that's a good thing yeah

1405
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,920
i think

1406
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,480
yeah i i just want to add that uh in my

1407
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,440
opinion if the government has already

1408
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,839
owned this this particular property

1409
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,440
then hired uh

1410
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:08,000
brought in its own people contractors

1411
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:08,799
and

1412
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,040
of investigated the property under the

1413
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,960
auspices of the government

1414
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,559
i don't think that they have a further

1415
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,960
interest in this point because whatever

1416
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,000
threat

1417
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,520
it poses

1418
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,720
is not existential in the terms of

1419
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,520
uh let's say uh

1420
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,839
invading specific airspace that are

1421
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,079
related to train navy training areas so

1422
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,559
on and so forth so to to them it's an

1423
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,359
interesting cool little bit of

1424
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,400
high strangeness but i don't think that

1425
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,480
uh when you're talking about spreading

1426
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:49,520
uh dod dollars right now which is uh i

1427
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:52,480
can tell you is extremely tight

1428
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,079
uh right now right uh and you can't yeah

1429
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,520
and and also

1430
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,720
it's it's very easy for the government

1431
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,960
to we've never been in a point in

1432
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,200
history where we had so many

1433
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,240
drones in existence and so when you have

1434
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,559
the ability to

1435
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,119
look for anomalies in the sky and you

1436
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,760
have drones you can it's such an easier

1437
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,920
sell to the american people because

1438
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,760
they're like oh we're just trying to

1439
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,760
defend our airspace like that's an easy

1440
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,520
sell to the american people

1441
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,160
selling sasquatch taking down your nukes

1442
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,520
not so easy so it's it's i definitely

1443
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,720
think they're going to take that

1444
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:33,280
approach to it because there's no way

1445
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,079
uh

1446
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,000
there's there's no way you can't support

1447
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,079
defending our airspace from potentially

1448
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,960
anomalous aerial phenomena yeah

1449
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:42,880
can i just say one thing on that i'm

1450
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,000
sorry i mean it's it's so unfortunate

1451
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,119
because i mean that place has to have

1452
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,799
there's something there's a big piece of

1453
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,319
the puzzle and maybe a small piece of

1454
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,799
the puzzle that that seems to

1455
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,599
lie there and just because it's not a

1456
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,200
threat

1457
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,359
let's just dismiss it we're missing

1458
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,440
we're missing the point yeah i don't

1459
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,799
think it's about i don't think it's

1460
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,799
about just dismissing i think it's about

1461
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,000
selling it to the american people and

1462
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,480
getting funding sure um

1463
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,280
so like even if there is something to be

1464
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,960
gained from that

1465
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,359
do you think that you can sell it to the

1466
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,160
american people i think that's that's

1467
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:22,079
all i'm saying i don't i'm i'm not

1468
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,359
saying whether or not there's a good

1469
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,359
case for it or not i'm just saying can

1470
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,359
they get funding for it and i would have

1471
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,599
to believe that they wouldn't mess with

1472
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,440
it because they don't want to be

1473
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,000
associated with the paranormal they're

1474
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,240
more interested in identifying objects

1475
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,880
that are unknown sure

1476
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,720
i i wanna drill down on this on three

1477
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,799
aspects one is

1478
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,640
uh to be honest it's not really selling

1479
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,160
it to the american people it's really

1480
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,760
selling it to the people who hold the

1481
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,839
purse strings and that's congress so

1482
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,000
whether nathan and you and myself and

1483
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,240
akashi and all four of us right here

1484
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:56,319
agree that we should be investigating

1485
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,440
that place

1486
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,359
as much as possible to see what's going

1487
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:01,599
on there well we all agree with that

1488
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,200
it's only those 50 people and those uh

1489
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,640
i'm trying to remember how many people

1490
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:07,760
are on are

1491
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:10,880
in congress now and i have 435 that are

1492
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,000
in uh in uh in the the house that that

1493
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,680
really matter because they hold the

1494
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,079
purse strings and as i mentioned earlier

1495
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:20,319
we're in a situation right now where

1496
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,920
money is a big big issue right now and

1497
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,319
i'm i'm telling you that from

1498
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,799
it's a big big issue so let's go to what

1499
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,079
mike would do

1500
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:32,720
if mike was out in his aircraft with a

1501
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,240
sensor and a and and a piece of

1502
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,880
recording hard drive they can one of the

1503
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:40,720
things that you guys may not be aware of

1504
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,760
is that

1505
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,079
when aircraft drought flying now and

1506
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,920
there's a sensor feed up

1507
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,240
that feed is now going over through

1508
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,559
satellites to very

1509
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,200
many many places so it's not only the

1510
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,520
people on that aircraft or even on that

1511
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,680
ship that are watching it but there are

1512
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,720
other places that can say i want to see

1513
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,040
that feed and they'll be watching and if

1514
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,000
you remember when the uh bin laden raid

1515
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,359
happened you remember that you saw a uh

1516
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,079
a general uh sitting in the a laptop in

1517
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,760
the white house with president obama and

1518
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,760
hillary clinton staring over his

1519
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:17,200
shoulder that guy used to be my group

1520
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,480
commander but that's another story uh

1521
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,040
brigadier general brad webb back then

1522
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,000
but uh but anyway the point is is that

1523
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,000
feed is going to many other places not

1524
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:30,799
just the white house so what that means

1525
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,160
is that if mike decides that if they

1526
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,400
tell mike hey i want you to capture that

1527
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,440
imagery doesn't cost them a penny

1528
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,720
to be able to collect every bit of data

1529
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,599
that mike has when he's up flying and he

1530
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:47,680
sees something and he keys the mic and

1531
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,799
says i see x and then everybody in the

1532
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,520
control room goes

1533
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,200
and they start looking at their feet and

1534
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,200
going i want

1535
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,119
every bit of that and they call mike's

1536
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:01,920
call sign and he's like roger

1537
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,760
and then he collects every bit of that

1538
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:05,280
he yanks his hard drive at the end of

1539
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,880
the mission and then we get to analyze

1540
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,880
all of that data so that doesn't cost

1541
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,319
them a penny

1542
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,559
other types of what we're talking about

1543
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,920
spending money to send people out to

1544
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:15,680
skinwalker

1545
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,400
or

1546
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,240
things that involved

1547
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,799
launching a mission or creating

1548
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:22,960
technologies that don't yet exist or

1549
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,359
deploying technologies is money but

1550
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,280
mike's already up there flying all

1551
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,520
they're doing is saying hey we want to

1552
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,079
see that feed that he just got yeah and

1553
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,000
that's how that's how it's done task it

1554
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,599
differently

1555
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,319
but it's free yeah right exactly it's

1556
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,760
already there yeah

1557
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,359
well i guess what what i'm curious about

1558
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,200
here is really more the

1559
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,839
the arc of of ideas you know so the it's

1560
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,720
the

1561
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,230
science what it does is it exposes us to

1562
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,079
new ways of thinking right and and the

1563
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,319
scientists who are who are on the sort

1564
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,240
of edge of discovery you know they're

1565
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:59,520
they're the ones that are kind of going

1566
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,640
oh like this is now a real this is now a

1567
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,640
fact about reality that i did not know

1568
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,880
before but it's kind of obscure it's

1569
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,520
obscure to it's it's uh relegated to the

1570
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,680
scientific community that is really like

1571
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,400
uncovering that or discovering it that a

1572
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,319
new understanding of reality has to

1573
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,040
trickle into society i mean the the best

1574
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,720
example of this is just how you see the

1575
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,160
word quantum

1576
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,920
like popping up all over the place now

1577
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,760
quantum this quantum that you know it's

1578
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,839
and it's used just very flippantly

1579
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,760
uh and people have a rudimentary

1580
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:32,160
understanding of quantum mechanics but

1581
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:33,839
if we were to go back let's say you know

1582
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:36,000
10 15 years ago you could ask people

1583
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,440
about quantum and they would not really

1584
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,960
know what the heck you were talking

1585
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,400
about but it's

1586
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,240
i know these ideas are becoming

1587
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,920
prominent when you see them in movies

1588
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,000
you know when they're in movies then you

1589
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,920
know the concepts that are that were

1590
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,920
probably i mean quantum mechanics is not

1591
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,319
new it's been around for decades but it

1592
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:55,200
is in the public consciousness now and

1593
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,000
so to to the point earlier about how

1594
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,680
you know is congress ready congress is

1595
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,359
just a mirror of the american public

1596
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,839
it's a mirror of our society you know

1597
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,280
they're not a bunch of scientists you

1598
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,599
know so we have to get them to a similar

1599
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:08,799
place just like we have to get the

1600
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,599
general public to be acclimated to these

1601
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,559
concepts and consciousness it may just

1602
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:16,240
require that we have a greater

1603
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,520
acclimation

1604
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,200
to quantum mechanics before we can

1605
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:21,280
really even get into the aspects of quan

1606
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,960
of consciousness and the phenomenon that

1607
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,440
skinwalker seems to represent you know

1608
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,799
we're not we're not quite at that place

1609
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,720
where we can have that congress or even

1610
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,880
yeah and in relation to high strangeness

1611
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,720
right could you imagine running for

1612
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,599
congress and then you vote you vote for

1613
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,720
asro and asro is also

1614
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,000
going to

1615
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,240
uh skinwalker about high strangeness and

1616
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,240
then your competitor in your

1617
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:46,559
congressional race is running ads about

1618
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,599
you going

1619
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:50,720
so and so voted for bigfoot you're just

1620
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,829
what's sort of funny about that though

1621
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,599
is the fact that we laugh about that at

1622
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,680
the same time i feel that society is

1623
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,720
actually

1624
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,760
uh

1625
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,079
the old rules don't seem to apply in as

1626
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,480
much the same way as they used to and i

1627
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,559
and i think you know recent politics is

1628
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,400
is has proven that out

1629
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,240
with that you know so we have people who

1630
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,559
are much more willing to say hey yeah i

1631
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,319
do want a bigfoot candidate you know and

1632
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,240
i want them to ask the bigfoot questions

1633
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,640
you know that's that's not that's not an

1634
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:22,960
unfair point that's a very interesting

1635
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:25,359
point like is has politics changed

1636
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,079
enough now that we do want a bigfoot

1637
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,079
candidate like that's interesting that's

1638
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:32,400
an interesting question yeah yeah some

1639
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:33,359
people do

1640
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:34,000
all right

1641
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,640
akashi i'm gonna blur backstage real

1642
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:39,920
quick that's okay we'll bring we'll

1643
01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:42,559
bring uh steven greer on yeah

1644
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:43,960
claire welcome

1645
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,870
can you guys hear me

1646
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:50,079
yes brother

1647
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:52,400
okay cool great to see you

1648
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,599
great too

1649
01:04:06,150 --> 01:03:55,839
you have great hair but anyway go ahead

1650
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,270
welcome

1651
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:09,200
all right what's up what you got for

1652
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,599
mataloni holmes i got some questions man

1653
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,160
i got i got serious questions

1654
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,640
it may not be related to the topic i we

1655
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,359
don't care there is no topic

1656
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,359
all right so um

1657
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:25,680
michael mataloni yes sir steven griez

1658
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:26,559
flair

1659
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:29,920
is it awkward around rather be squinting

1660
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:32,960
now that uh he stole your co-host role

1661
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:39,190
[Applause]

1662
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:49,510
let me let me i'm going to answer that

1663
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,960
with a question

1664
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:52,880
okay you ready are you ready you're a

1665
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,920
slayer okay could you ever be mad at

1666
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,839
rather

1667
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:59,520
fair point no

1668
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,000
no that's correct

1669
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,079
okay you win

1670
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:06,079
that is correct and that is the answer

1671
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,520
question and you kind of blew that out

1672
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,760
of the water

1673
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:11,200
sorry about that

1674
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,319
that's a good thing yeah yeah okay

1675
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,720
gotcha i was hoping you got a follow-up

1676
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:16,559
because this dude he uh he's on point

1677
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:18,559
tonight with all that booze go ahead all

1678
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:20,319
right with it kristen's actually making

1679
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,680
me a cocktail kristen

1680
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,520
get come on here

1681
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:27,119
she's not in here she can't also hear

1682
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:28,480
you you remember how you're feeling i

1683
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:30,319
hear that there's a picture mataloni you

1684
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:31,440
go

1685
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:41,190
we

1686
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,119
yeah and rather and and rather man i

1687
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:47,920
want to have a beer with that guy

1688
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,079
me too man i like that guy yeah he's

1689
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,920
amazing cool okay go ahead steven

1690
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,920
grier's flare he's the smartest second

1691
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:55,599
question did you ever have dreadlocks

1692
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,559
shut the [\h__\h] up dj what

1693
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,480
was it true did you have dreadlocks at

1694
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,720
one point i mean i did yes that is

1695
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:04,880
correct i had no that is correct i had

1696
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:07,920
dreadlocks uh when i was

1697
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,359
2 uh 20 20 years old um i started

1698
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,920
dreading my dreading my hair in college

1699
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:16,319
no pun intended yep as you said i went

1700
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:18,079
on like that

1701
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,200
actually my wife and i were actually

1702
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:21,039
foster parents we lived in oregon and we

1703
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,549
when we were going we were getting our

1704
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,400
certification to be foster parents

1705
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,640
eventually kristen was like

1706
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,799
it's time to cut this off like i don't i

1707
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,400
don't know what our foster kids will

1708
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,000
think if they see you at dreadlocks we

1709
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,839
can't be smoking weed in front of them

1710
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,200
like you got to cut it off and i was

1711
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,359
like

1712
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:46,799
bob ugh

1713
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:53,510
oh i put i've are you you're in the

1714
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,799
discord right i've put pictures in the

1715
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,480
display

1716
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:58,079
okay i'll send you pictures i'll send

1717
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,280
you pictures

1718
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:00,880
i'll share them on i'll share them on

1719
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,200
the tweeters and i'll tag you in them

1720
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,079
yes we need evidence yeah yeah man we

1721
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:08,240
got to bring it real man don't play yeah

1722
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,000
no no i totally had dreadlocks now they

1723
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,839
were they were white boy dreadlocks they

1724
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:13,680
were like handmade

1725
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:14,559
like

1726
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:20,960
dreadlocks and kristen will tell you all

1727
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,760
about how not beautiful they were

1728
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:25,280
yeah

1729
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:40,069
we found a little bit of a pressure

1730
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:41,839
point nathan because when i suggested

1731
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,720
that rather was smarter than michael i i

1732
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:45,839
think we found a little bit of a

1733
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:48,160
pressure point he said so

1734
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:49,359
he made a face

1735
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,470
come on that's like saying exo academia

1736
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,839
is smarter than nathan he's not going to

1737
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,760
be offended oh wait i think i just got

1738
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:01,440
fired

1739
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,990
my match with 401k just got turned off

1740
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,480
[Laughter]

1741
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,559
all right uh stephen greer's flare

1742
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,359
please pimp your channel uh and and tell

1743
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,280
us about what you've got going because

1744
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,799
you've got a new youtube channel please

1745
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,359
tell us about it oh my channel

1746
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,520
oh yeah no it's it's still in uh the

1747
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,159
works i'm i'm putting all my random

1748
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,359
animations on there nice that i've made

1749
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,199
my theater of doom

1750
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,239
um i eventually plan to do interviews

1751
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,000
and have a co-host and all that stuff

1752
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,560
but you know work in progress

1753
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:37,279
okay well if nathan fires me i'll you

1754
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:38,560
know i'll come over there you'd be

1755
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,719
looking for all right

1756
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,880
can we check it out now or is it do you

1757
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:44,880
have animations up now or i have all the

1758
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,960
animations up yeah actually

1759
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,719
so you can check them out whenever

1760
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,560
no where what's the channel what's going

1761
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:52,239
on

1762
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:55,759
um is this a family channel

1763
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:58,960
uh i i i don't encourage a lot of

1764
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:01,520
cursing but if if if you must let it rip

1765
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:04,839
okay well the channel name is flares

1766
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,839
unexplainable channel which stands for

1767
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,080
fuc

1768
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:12,159
oh wait wait a minute i don't know i

1769
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,960
don't get it what's all right i know

1770
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,560
it's foose

1771
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,199
welcome to food

1772
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,839
we will put you uh in the show notes

1773
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,560
and uh i really want to thank you uh

1774
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,719
steven griers flair because one of the

1775
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:28,880
pleasures of doing this show is really

1776
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:32,400
to connect uh with uh people that are uh

1777
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:34,239
just you know really positive and people

1778
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:35,679
that are bringing something into the

1779
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,120
space and uh it doesn't i don't care if

1780
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:41,839
you have 10 12 followers or 10 000 i

1781
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,640
mean look at mataloni so um thank you

1782
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:46,640
very much for coming on and speaking

1783
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,520
with us

1784
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,520
and um i look forward to speaking with

1785
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,359
you again yes okay

1786
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,359
thanks for having me steven griez flair

1787
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,800
thank you so it was so good to see you

1788
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:56,719
in the flesh

1789
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:01,910
namaste [\h__\h]

1790
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,239
hey man don't don't play with yoga man

1791
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:06,560
now you've gone too far some shots fired

1792
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,520
over there yeah dude i will downward dog

1793
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,880
up in yeah

1794
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,520
well we'll see because i may do you know

1795
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,960
what mike i may do a hashtag ufo twitter

1796
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,120
uh yoga practice and we'll see if you

1797
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,800
turn up and if you have any game so

1798
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,280
we'll okay hey nathan's got game we'll

1799
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,520
see if we got game

1800
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,600
challenge accepted and one other thing i

1801
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,040
wanted to mention mike something that

1802
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,040
akashi chris and i were kicking around

1803
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:34,560
was the idea of a summertime southeast

1804
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,000
usa hashtag ufo twitter get together

1805
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:41,360
uh in a central location based on the

1806
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,480
density of population of our our our

1807
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,239
family here if you will

1808
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,239
all right what do you think of that idea

1809
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,840
and would you be interested in attending

1810
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,600
of course like that of course a public

1811
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,840
park for safety you know of course but i

1812
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:55,920
have a feeling that

1813
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:58,640
i have

1814
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,480
east coast and so many are west coast

1815
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:03,600
that we're going to end up meeting in

1816
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,800
oklahoma or something or austin i kind

1817
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,400
of nathan

1818
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:10,080
you and i talked about austin just

1819
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,760
because one of the cool things is you

1820
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,080
can get to the outskirts because what i

1821
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,800
thought about is i pictured uh drinking

1822
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,840
eating

1823
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:20,960
hey hey james what's up brother what's

1824
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:26,709
and and and we thought about the

1825
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,280
possibility of of making stargazing part

1826
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,520
of it where if we could get out away a

1827
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,600
little bit and then actually go look at

1828
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,920
the scar stars and talk so that i'm just

1829
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,679
throwing that sounds awesome yeah i'm

1830
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,840
just throwing things out there for for a

1831
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:41,360
weekend you know we could do a little

1832
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,480
bit of each

1833
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,719
i like it love it yeah so you'd be

1834
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,880
interested in that i would yeah we've

1835
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:48,320
been talking we've also been talking

1836
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:51,760
about um going out to l.a uh lou wants

1837
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,159
to do a like a ucr week where we're like

1838
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:57,840
we do uh we do a theater uh we do a bar

1839
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,360
um yeah anyway so yeah i'm all about i'm

1840
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,960
all about getting up and and meeting

1841
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,199
some ufo twitter folks

1842
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,040
okay then we'll we'll coordinate with

1843
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,880
you akashi chris

1844
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:11,440
and nathan myself and anybody else that

1845
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:12,719
has ideas

1846
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,679
um just dm us and and uh we'll start

1847
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,280
trying to put it together because we're

1848
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,120
on the precipice of winter so it's a

1849
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,640
good time to plan for summer that's

1850
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,520
right that's right that's right

1851
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,159
such a planner hey man i was paid to do

1852
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,080
that in the air force man you know i was

1853
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,960
a mission planner so anyway um let's

1854
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:33,040
bring in what other uh questions that we

1855
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,920
have

1856
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,719
from the audience uh because i believe

1857
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:38,880
grant had another question

1858
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,280
uh i don't know if he did but if he did

1859
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,679
he's welcome to post it i will put it up

1860
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,520
but i have a question i'm gonna switch

1861
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,480
gears yes slightly

1862
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,640
determinism what do you think about it

1863
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,840
ooh

1864
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,239
um that's an excellent question all

1865
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,480
right so bring me back to my philosophy

1866
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,560
minor days in college

1867
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:00,480
uh for those of you who don't know

1868
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,840
determinum determinism means and you go

1869
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,880
like this

1870
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,239
uh

1871
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:07,920
life is predetermined everything

1872
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,159
everything that has happened will happen

1873
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,320
and your entire life every decision you

1874
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,920
make has already been laid out in front

1875
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,960
of you

1876
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:17,280
um and you're destined to make those

1877
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,400
decisions so i could dig on terminism

1878
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,520
determinism if we're talking about a

1879
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,080
multiverse where every possibility

1880
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,880
exists and you're taking all of them

1881
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,360
yes okay nice escape hatch there i like

1882
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,120
that

1883
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,520
well i mean yeah it's like utrend of

1884
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:38,080
utrade of bebenberg who said destiny is

1885
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,679
old that's right you know the vikings

1886
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,760
no i don't i don't i think the universe

1887
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,080
is too dynamic to be deterministic i

1888
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,600
think there's just too much happening

1889
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,520
and it's all moving so quickly and from

1890
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:52,080
a human perspective i think that

1891
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:53,600
you know we we

1892
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:54,400
now

1893
01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:00,239
believe in an unlimited free will just

1894
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,760
because i don't believe in determinism

1895
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,080
doesn't mean i believe in free will so i

1896
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,600
actually fall somewhere in the middle

1897
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,640
here because i think that am i free to

1898
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,920
not go to the bathroom when i have the

1899
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:10,800
urge

1900
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:11,920
no

1901
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:20,080
free will to start with i have physical

1902
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:21,360
demands

1903
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,960
on my consciousness that require

1904
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,760
a

1905
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,040
uh

1906
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,960
those needs are required to be filled

1907
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,120
period sure um so so i can't have

1908
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:32,560
complete free will

1909
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,480
um do i have am i free to choose uh to a

1910
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:38,400
certain extent yes but

1911
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,440
um you know i could have been born into

1912
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,960
a very rich family it could have been

1913
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,800
born into a very poor family

1914
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,360
um so there there are so many things

1915
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,840
that that so many environmental factors

1916
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:50,960
that

1917
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,320
can't be a sole free will person but

1918
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,159
that also doesn't mean i believe in pure

1919
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:00,080
determinism either i think there's a

1920
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,080
spectrum um

1921
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,000
and that's why like i hate politics oh

1922
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,760
well i do love to argue politics but i

1923
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:06,960
hate politics so much because it's all

1924
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,520
black and white sure you can't it's like

1925
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,320
you can't have any sort of perspective

1926
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,640
there's no spectrum allowed in politics

1927
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,280
and i think that's a huge problem and i

1928
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,960
think that's part of the

1929
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,040
issues of polarization in our country

1930
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,640
today michael is not it's not

1931
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,800
life as we know it in the united states

1932
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,880
around the world and

1933
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,560
man we stop making noise when you're

1934
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,440
trying to drink madeluna

1935
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:35,040
go ahead wait till i he'll wait till i

1936
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:36,320
start talking again he's got a bit of a

1937
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:37,360
drinking cup

1938
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,960
he he does have a drink you know what

1939
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:40,400
i'm going to join him that's a that's an

1940
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:41,040
area

1941
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,880
for those people i love it man i love

1942
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,400
what kind of energy he brought to that

1943
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,320
the strength

1944
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,360
he's like

1945
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,679
if dj's calling me by my last name i'm

1946
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,440
gonna bring some energy up in there

1947
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:53,199
right no but no seriously you said this

1948
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:56,000
that you framed it properly you you you

1949
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,679
let me know with your body language what

1950
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,440
kind of interview you wanted and i'm

1951
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,880
just here to deliver i don't have free

1952
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,560
will on this i'm just i'm just here to

1953
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,880
deliver right but what i meant to say

1954
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:07,360
that the the metaphor that i like to use

1955
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:10,640
that nathan really likes or is that

1956
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:11,600
we

1957
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,120
yes if you are black or you're white

1958
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,679
you're probably way at the extreme on

1959
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,840
something but most of life and you will

1960
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,760
notice i said the mo the word most

1961
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,679
because you and i had that chat about

1962
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,199
absolutism

1963
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,199
is is lived in the gray and i think we

1964
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,800
could look at the phenomenon from the

1965
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,159
same level so you have these people that

1966
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,640
are like oh the you know there's nobody

1967
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,080
from the government that's truthful it's

1968
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,159
all lie everything's a conspiracy and

1969
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,679
you have these people who like anything

1970
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:42,080
the government says is true but the

1971
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:45,440
truth is is in the gray somewhere along

1972
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,880
that spectrum

1973
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,080
do you think that's a fair

1974
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:51,280
characterization of life as humans

1975
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,800
i do i really do i mean do you agree

1976
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:56,000
there we go

1977
01:17:00,120 --> 01:16:57,679
[Music]

1978
01:17:01,750 --> 01:17:00,130
i'm doing the show i don't like how this

1979
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,760
[Laughter]

1980
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,440
i'm feels you do mike

1981
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:05,040
our friendship is just beginning it's

1982
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,320
just

1983
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:08,640
i i'm gonna use the words of chicago

1984
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,149
it's really nice yeah that i actually

1985
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:17,679
foreshadowing actually but that's

1986
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,960
something else i like that um yeah so

1987
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:22,480
again we're just we're just at the

1988
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:23,600
beginning of this extraordinary

1989
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,170
friendship but that being said

1990
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,600
[Laughter]

1991
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,920
i can still agree with you i can still

1992
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,280
agree with you even though we're just at

1993
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,360
the beginning that uh

1994
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,800
you know everything's a spectrum and

1995
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,719
we're we all land somewhere and and

1996
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,239
again that

1997
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,199
the dynamic nature of the universe

1998
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,960
leads me to constantly believe

1999
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,640
everything's always in flux right and

2000
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,320
and again going back to the incentive

2001
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,480
base like everyone in the government is

2002
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,880
incentive based right every human being

2003
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,560
is incentive based you go get a job

2004
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:54,719
because you need money it's an incentive

2005
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:57,760
to go to work um you know you want to be

2006
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,960
a good dad because you want to you want

2007
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:03,440
your kids to grow up in a way that that

2008
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,080
makes them happy that's an incentive

2009
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,400
their happiness is an incentive for you

2010
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,400
sure um so everything

2011
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,719
you know beyond money is is incentive

2012
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:14,960
based so you know when you think about

2013
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,400
that from that nature then you got to

2014
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,159
remember that there's all these

2015
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,239
different people in the government who

2016
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:21,920
have very different incentives and

2017
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,880
they're not aligned and so to entertain

2018
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,640
this idea that everything is this

2019
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:29,440
massive conspiracy driven by this

2020
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,630
i don't know man i don't i don't buy it

2021
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,440
i i find if you're you're better off

2022
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,640
looking for for idiocracy than you are

2023
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,719
looking for conspiracy you're you're far

2024
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,199
more likely to find this exactly yeah

2025
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:47,760
don't don't assume a conspiracy when

2026
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:50,000
incompetence will suffice will do

2027
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:55,750
nathan i don't i don't have the rgb

2028
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,480
color spectrums in front of me but let's

2029
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,960
suffice it to say there are a lot of

2030
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,360
many many shades of grey

2031
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:05,199
in between black and white

2032
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:08,960
oh yeah oh can i comment on this comment

2033
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,719
peter peter becker

2034
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,199
says uh like i am not to blame i have no

2035
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,880
free will as an excuse for [\h__\h] we

2036
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:16,719
do like i don't agree with that either

2037
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:19,760
so i'm not saying we don't have we don't

2038
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:20,640
have

2039
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,800
agencies we're all dealing with

2040
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:26,400
different environments and we're all

2041
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:27,920
dealing with different

2042
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:32,480
levels of of of have and and so i think

2043
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:35,199
it's important to recognize that

2044
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,400
but it's not an excuse just to be

2045
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,000
a dick

2046
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,840
or just do whatever you write yeah like

2047
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,239
you have you have responsibility you

2048
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,800
have some free will but you also have

2049
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:49,040
environment to overcome so again like

2050
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,920
you said and i'm i'm not liking how much

2051
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,000
i'm agreeing with you dj but you said

2052
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:55,840
this is not good that there is no

2053
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,920
absolutism there's no you know there's

2054
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,199
no black there's no white it's a

2055
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,600
spectrum of gray and we've got to figure

2056
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,199
out like

2057
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,280
you know and again like you know i'm i'm

2058
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,760
one of these lefty libertarians like i'm

2059
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:09,679
i'm all about stay the hell out of my

2060
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,880
business let me do what i want but at

2061
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:12,159
the same time i want to see a social

2062
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,159
safety net like that's just who i am

2063
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,239
like like it or not take it or leave it

2064
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:18,000
i'm a lefty libertarian i believe in a

2065
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,440
social safety net and i believe leave me

2066
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,880
the [\h__\h] alone let me do what i want i'm

2067
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,480
not hurting somebody else

2068
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,719
um that being said

2069
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,800
i recognize that i'm in a position in

2070
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,960
life where i have

2071
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,360
you know come from some challenges but i

2072
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,760
also had a lot going for me and

2073
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,360
especially growing up in the united

2074
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:37,360
states and having opportunities and

2075
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:39,120
having an entrepreneurial spirit and

2076
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,239
mind like a lot of kids in poverty don't

2077
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,760
have that and they don't they didn't

2078
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,120
have a parent who taught them that and

2079
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:47,840
they didn't have this hey mike yo

2080
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:50,560
think about a track but it doesn't go in

2081
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:52,960
a circle it goes straight so you're on

2082
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,120
an olympic track and so the starting

2083
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:57,760
positions are different like you have a

2084
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,920
bracketed starting position so you're

2085
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,679
way back here if you're on the inside

2086
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,120
track you're over here if you're on the

2087
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:05,440
outside track and it just spiders up

2088
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,239
diagonally at a some sort of a 45 degree

2089
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,120
angle but imagine that track is straight

2090
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:13,280
and that's what life is is that you and

2091
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,560
i and maybe perhaps nathan started on

2092
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,639
that side of the track where

2093
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:20,880
we're wait we're on that front bracket

2094
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,880
way out there but someone who grew up in

2095
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:24,960
a disadvantaged background someone who's

2096
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,080
a person of color uh someone who did not

2097
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:30,000
uh wasn't it didn't have access to

2098
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,040
proper role models growing up is on that

2099
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,120
inside track but the fact is is that the

2100
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,600
track is straight it's a sprint

2101
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,440
you know and and and they're not going

2102
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,360
to get to the finish line before us

2103
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,679
necessarily only because by virtue of

2104
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,520
the fact of their starting position is

2105
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,360
way back here that's a that's a great

2106
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,440
analogy and um and that's why i think

2107
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:51,199
it's so important for us to to reach

2108
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,800
back and you know and and play the

2109
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,719
[\h__\h] uh what's the

2110
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:56,320
you know it's a baton rouge like like

2111
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:58,719
help help the person get up to where you

2112
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:59,600
are like

2113
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,560
you know

2114
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:02,159
equality is not a piece of pie there's

2115
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:04,239
enough for everybody

2116
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,120
yeah

2117
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:07,360
okay so um unless you're gonna ask a

2118
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,920
question go ahead i know nathan uh if

2119
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,679
you want the last question we got to get

2120
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,760
uh mike out of here it's been an hour

2121
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,080
and a half so basically if you want the

2122
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:17,679
last question nathan please that's all

2123
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,560
yours and then we'll have the surprise

2124
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:22,320
okay

2125
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,199
if

2126
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:24,880
uh yeah right i'm just gonna be as

2127
01:22:26,850 --> 01:22:26,420
surprised as you would

2128
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,860
[Applause]

2129
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,480
[Laughter]

2130
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,480
exactly all right so

2131
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,000
i'm doing that by the way i'm doing that

2132
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,400
with irony my kid said if i ever use

2133
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,239
these buttons and i'm serious about it

2134
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,719
like put a gun in my mouth and just be

2135
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,360
done with it like she they said you can

2136
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,880
use those you can use those stupid

2137
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,239
buttons but they better be done

2138
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,719
ironically and so yeah and and you know

2139
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,719
what mike you're around older people so

2140
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:50,560
it's okay i'm 54. i assume you're

2141
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:53,920
younger than i right right just barely

2142
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,320
okay and let's bring on akashi chris for

2143
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:58,239
uh if you would please perfect for this

2144
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,440
last event that we're gonna hi akashi

2145
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,560
i have no idea what's about to happen

2146
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,800
i don't know what i signed up for

2147
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,440
i i now believe associate producer means

2148
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,199
guillermo to

2149
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,040
yes

2150
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,320
welcome here

2151
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:17,600
i believe that's my job now

2152
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,280
uh well so we'll see what happens now

2153
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,960
yes sir please all right so and i think

2154
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,320
it's going to hint back to what you

2155
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,440
talked about beginning the show that i

2156
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:27,760
wanted to talk about so uh please so

2157
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,320
mata looney uh so

2158
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:32,960
in an asymmetric relationship and i i

2159
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,920
consider the phenomenon to be

2160
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,400
an asymmetric partner

2161
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:40,239
to humanity

2162
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:43,040
dude wow what way to frame that

2163
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:44,719
that just that hit me pretty deep that

2164
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,639
hit me pretty deep but go on all right

2165
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,960
so they are we are not playing by this

2166
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,800
we're not playing the same deck cards

2167
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,440
yep uh and they at least have some

2168
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,679
capability that we do not so they they

2169
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,400
have uh it's an asymmetric relationship

2170
01:24:01,590 --> 01:24:00,239
and asymmetric relationships exist in

2171
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:01,600
human relationships it's not something

2172
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,239
new but what uh

2173
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:06,400
what would it take

2174
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:07,760
for us

2175
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,639
to

2176
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,719
have a sense of trust

2177
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,400
in the phenomenon

2178
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:15,520
and if it were to present us with a

2179
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:16,719
technology

2180
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,679
or information can you do me a favor so

2181
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:21,280
i don't have to do so i don't have to

2182
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:22,960
frame this can you frame what you mean

2183
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,080
by the phenomena sure all right so let's

2184
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,920
maybe i'll make it simpler uh rather

2185
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,080
than more you know sort of nebulous

2186
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,719
because it's such an umbrella topic but

2187
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:34,560
let's say there are i'll just use one of

2188
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,760
the hypotheses there's an

2189
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,760
extraterrestrial intelligence it's got

2190
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:39,120
advanced uh

2191
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:41,600
spacecraft it's got the you know these

2192
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,040
incredible capabilities could be

2193
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,960
anywhere in the planet in seconds thank

2194
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,040
you control our are the way to control

2195
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:49,280
how we think it could uh it can phase

2196
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,719
through walls whatever it's got these

2197
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:52,800
amazing powers float and all this good

2198
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,440
stuff yeah so if it if it lands on the

2199
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,360
white house lawn and says hey i've got

2200
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,440
this knowledge about the universe or i

2201
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:01,199
could here's how i could help you with

2202
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,560
xyz

2203
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,719
uh how do we trust it what are things

2204
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,280
that we would be looking for to

2205
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,320
establish trust in that relationship

2206
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:12,880
are you familiar with uh descartes demon

2207
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,239
um yes the laplace's demon right

2208
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:19,040
so the yeah the idea is that the idea is

2209
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,320
that you've got

2210
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,480
the the universe is it's constantly

2211
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:24,880
trying to trick you right it's it's it's

2212
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:28,800
all a a predetermined set of rules to to

2213
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:32,000
make you fail and there is uh nothing

2214
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:33,760
you can do about it so

2215
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,719
if you approach it from uh that

2216
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:38,400
perspective

2217
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,120
and the relationship is so asymmetrical

2218
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:43,120
what do you really have to lose

2219
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,880
at this point because they're already

2220
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,719
here they've already landed they've

2221
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,560
already shown what they're possess in

2222
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,280
possession of so you might as well just

2223
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,159
go with the flow because there's no way

2224
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:57,040
to prove or disprove their abilities and

2225
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:58,080
or to

2226
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,880
uh

2227
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,280
prove or disprove why you should trust

2228
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,120
them but they're here and they have the

2229
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,960
ability to the relationship is so

2230
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:06,800
asymmetrical i don't think you have a

2231
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,880
choice right you have you're at a power

2232
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,880
disadvantage and it may take centuries

2233
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:12,800
to where you have enough

2234
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,440
uh power the symmetry the asymmetry is

2235
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:18,480
reduced now you may in the future decide

2236
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:21,440
that uh you know what we got duped a

2237
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,320
couple centuries back by this thing um

2238
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,400
yet now we have unlocked the symbol we

2239
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,920
have either been given or have unlocked

2240
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,840
similar capability and

2241
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:31,199
you know it could be a little bit time

2242
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,719
for retribution

2243
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,960
or you just go or you just go [\h__\h] with

2244
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:37,360
less evolved society

2245
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,920
wait nathan you mean after the after the

2246
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,159
conscripted after the constricted

2247
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,000
service where we're pushing that little

2248
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,280
grinding wheel around like conan

2249
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:49,920
exactly no exactly when i find they're

2250
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:52,400
stone age civilizations i'm a

2251
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:53,460
i'm a

2252
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,719
[Music]

2253
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:55,920
we had an interview with every lobe

2254
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,000
today and he'd said he was like i was

2255
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:00,880
not a star trek fan and and then i just

2256
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:07,990
that being said like i've always been

2257
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:12,239
fascinated by the do no harm um prime

2258
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,239
directive of the of the the nature of of

2259
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,639
star trek and so that's kind of where i

2260
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:21,040
fall on this is that you

2261
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:22,080
you know

2262
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,280
i i

2263
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,080
i would hope that you know the phenomena

2264
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,880
or this these advanced uh species if

2265
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:31,199
they are in fact visiting us that they

2266
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:32,239
would be coming from a similar

2267
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:33,280
perspective where they're trying to

2268
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:34,239
observe

2269
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:37,199
um you know potentially um support

2270
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,040
without being um without harming so

2271
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:43,520
you know i'm an optimist what can i say

2272
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:46,400
i i think nathan though has you know in

2273
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,320
that conversation i'm sorry to i didn't

2274
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,000
mean to cut you off nathan but i think

2275
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,080
you do bring up some interesting

2276
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,400
uh points to this that i hadn't thought

2277
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,639
of and nathan has some concerns about

2278
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,040
this and i think that was very evident

2279
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,120
in our conversation nathan no i mean i

2280
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,199
am concerned about it because uh so what

2281
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,960
do you think nathan what do you do you

2282
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:07,920
think we are in fact being visited by an

2283
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,639
asymmetrical advanced alien species

2284
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,480
potentially potentially is what he's

2285
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,080
saying why don't you let nathan answer

2286
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,000
the question be quiet man we didn't ask

2287
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,360
you madaloni

2288
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,000
sit back and have another drink this is

2289
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:22,560
the box have a treat right here have a

2290
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,840
drink on me ac dc go ahead

2291
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,560
i love every time every time either dj

2292
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:30,800
gives me [\h__\h] or i give dj [\h__\h] the look

2293
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,750
is uh yeah i think i mean look i think

2294
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,760
we i'm listening nathan even though dj

2295
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:48,080
won't go ahead it's of an asymmetric uh

2296
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:50,239
relationship here my concern so and i've

2297
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,440
tried that speaking of asymmetric

2298
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,280
relationships uh right exactly i've

2299
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,760
tried to pose this question to lou uh

2300
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:57,679
and and i posted in a way that just was

2301
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,990
now blue was like wait where's blue

2302
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:05,840
which lou luella

2303
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,840
so okay okay

2304
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,000
that was on me on him jimenez was like

2305
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,760
can i put it in front of a center's desk

2306
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:13,600
no it's over

2307
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,560
i don't i we're not even entertaining it

2308
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:18,880
mataloni has infected me go ahead so

2309
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:21,520
yeah my concern is this so we are

2310
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,560
advocating for a position of of greater

2311
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,159
engagement

2312
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,840
at the very least we're advocating for a

2313
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:29,760
position of greater awareness right so

2314
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,080
we're trying to increase awareness of

2315
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:33,840
what is happening so that we can study

2316
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:35,840
at least that that's the premise

2317
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,000
but any kind of increase in awareness

2318
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,000
and study is an increase in the level of

2319
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:42,159
engagement with whatever this happens to

2320
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:45,199
be now an intelligence officer someone

2321
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,960
who is who is trained in assessing uh

2322
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:51,280
your your your adversary and what your

2323
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:52,960
adversary is capable of doing and i'm

2324
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,960
using that word loosely i don't i'm not

2325
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,239
making a judgment that they're

2326
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,800
necessarily adversarial right but you

2327
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,719
know you're across the chess board from

2328
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:03,040
us perhaps uh if you're assessing their

2329
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:04,719
capability i would like to think that

2330
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:07,920
before we advocate for a move a move of

2331
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:10,080
one of the chess pieces if you will we

2332
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:11,600
have a sense

2333
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:14,000
in which we know how they might respond

2334
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:15,679
you know it would be really poor of us

2335
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,440
to just sort of like

2336
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,520
lead out with our bishop all of a sudden

2337
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,679
and then know that like oh like we just

2338
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,840
exposed the queen and they're gonna just

2339
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,960
you know

2340
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:26,639
put our legs out from under us so i'm

2341
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:28,480
i'm putting a lot of trust in the

2342
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,920
initiative here that this is a

2343
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:32,239
worthwhile endeavor to make now as you

2344
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,159
pointed out and i kind of agree with you

2345
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,000
we honestly may not have a choice here

2346
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:38,239
you know if they're already here we we

2347
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,760
don't have necessarily a lot of

2348
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:42,320
bargaining power uh to disengage from

2349
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:45,199
but your point dude wow i didn't even

2350
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,110
because if you ignore it

2351
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:52,719
right because the the fact that we're

2352
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:55,520
putting engagement and energy into it

2353
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,719
exposes us to playing the game and could

2354
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,400
put we could potentially make a wrong

2355
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:02,719
chess move if we're not playing chess

2356
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,239
they haven't destroyed us yet and we're

2357
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:06,239
not playing chess if we start playing

2358
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,239
chess does that expose us to greater

2359
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:10,560
risk that's such a freaking good point

2360
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:11,840
and to be honest with you is that what

2361
01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:13,199
you meant by that is that was that your

2362
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:14,840
point that is my

2363
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,400
concern i have never considered that i

2364
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:20,080
see now you know why i have heartbreak

2365
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:21,360
now i know why

2366
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:22,960
now i know now if this is not an

2367
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:26,239
asymmetrical relationship no

2368
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:27,440
no no no

2369
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,719
that's breaking news right there

2370
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:32,880
you heard it first

2371
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,000
first

2372
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,080
now you know what now you know why i got

2373
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,760
him as my co-host

2374
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,960
i don't know if you're aware of this

2375
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:40,239
mike because you probably didn't watch

2376
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:42,719
our last episode

2377
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:46,880
don't assume things well obviously

2378
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:49,040
because you don't know how we came to be

2379
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:51,520
so uh so i can assume i think that's an

2380
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:52,960
education you should write a song about

2381
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,159
it so i will uh actually uh that that's

2382
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:58,719
gonna come in a minute but

2383
01:32:04,550 --> 01:31:59,679
nathan

2384
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:04,560
mcgrillen on and we heard him talk for

2385
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,679
about

2386
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:07,760
i don't know 35 seconds

2387
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,239
and i was like oh my god i gotta talk i

2388
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:12,320
gotta dm this

2389
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:14,320
he's got to be my you know he's got to

2390
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:18,000
be my co-host and so i you know dm'd him

2391
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,159
he dm'd me and we were under another

2392
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:22,320
show name at that point luis had been on

2393
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:23,920
a couple of times under the old show

2394
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,719
name

2395
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:26,560
and uh and that's how nathan and i got

2396
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:29,120
together uh the guy's amazing uh i do

2397
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:30,800
have heart bubble emojis over my head

2398
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:33,520
when he talks uh every time

2399
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:36,480
and uh so it's a great relationship um

2400
01:32:42,709 --> 01:32:40,960
so now uh yeah fist bump to everybody um

2401
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,719
where's that surprise

2402
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:44,480
so

2403
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:45,600
man

2404
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,480
[Laughter]

2405
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:50,480
i love madeline you're you're already

2406
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:52,480
are you making balloons

2407
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:01,590
he's already getting booked for it for

2408
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,390
but what we want to do madaloni is we're

2409
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:10,639
in a situation with our community where

2410
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:12,080
there's a lot of

2411
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:13,280
fracturing

2412
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:15,440
but what this group tries to do what you

2413
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:16,719
try to do

2414
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:19,840
uh what a number of us on in this space

2415
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,800
try to do is to bring people together to

2416
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:25,440
show positivity and we're making a lot

2417
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:28,159
of ground right now uh based on you know

2418
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,719
the senate uh the the gillibrand

2419
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:33,040
resolution to house resolution 4350 et

2420
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,880
cetera et cetera so we're in a great

2421
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,800
spot so what i thought we would do to

2422
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:38,080
close the show

2423
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:39,840
other than to talk about how great your

2424
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,639
show is uh and how great you are which

2425
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:43,760
is all true

2426
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:46,320
uh and shout out to kristin mataloni

2427
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:50,080
rather be squidding uh luis jimenez uh

2428
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,960
who

2429
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:52,639
finds my jokes to be about like

2430
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:54,719
contracting influenza but i love luis a

2431
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:57,600
lot um dude you have me cracking up bro

2432
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:59,199
i'm not gonna lie you're pretty you're

2433
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,639
you're pretty funny i'm just gonna be

2434
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:03,440
i'm just gonna come up i love you luis

2435
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:06,639
and just tell me classic cuban or medley

2436
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:08,719
and uh we'll get to that next time we

2437
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:10,000
have him on

2438
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:11,199
and um

2439
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:12,639
i wanted to sing a song so we're gonna

2440
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:14,320
have a little bit of a sing-along to bon

2441
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,430
i don't know what i signed up for i'm so

2442
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:23,679
scared right now you signed up to sing

2443
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:27,040
so this is a song that we're dedicating

2444
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this is

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hashtag ufo twitter on behalf of nathan

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akashi chris singularitymike and myself

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all right here we go let's get let's get

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something i

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am i supposed to sing

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yeah

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we're

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[Music]

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living on a prayer

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[Music]

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she brings her

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we

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[Music]

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next time just let me let me look up the

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okay guys it's fantastic all right

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we got it

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[Music]

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we gotta stay together

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hey we're halfway there man

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but we're living on a prayer right now

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and lou and christopher finn to bring

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that home with kirsten gillibrand and

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marco what's up holmes

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bring it home

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01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:27,280
amanda's gonna call you on the phone hey

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marco man let's go baby

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sign your name across his heart and the

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resolution yes so

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a little terence trent darby for you

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there all right um i love it you know

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what this was a lot of fun thank you so

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much it was

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it was i definitely want to do this

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01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,000
again okay mike uh when you need to pick

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me up you're welcome on the show um you

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01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,320
know uh we had a lot of fun i love the

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the verbal uh barbs

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um i love nathan

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akashi i mean basically the universe

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01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:01,119
loves akashi i think there's like people

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everybody loves you

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you're like

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from aroma

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so anyway

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i love dj nathan

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nathan man all right so

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thank you mike for everyone

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i just fell in love with this whole

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group here thank you guys what a

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pleasure pimp all your business please

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01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,840
michael

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and we'll put in the show notes along

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can i get a hit

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01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,350
you can find me on twitter at

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01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:49,760
singularitymike you can also find me on

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01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,560
youtube at the singularity lab make sure

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01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,560
you follow us for the

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01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:56,960
breaking stories in science technology

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01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,360
and futurism uh we also cover uaps we'll

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01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,040
see you there love you guys wait elba

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01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,840
how could you forget uh the unidentified

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01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,840
celebrity review and you can also find

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01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,760
me on fridays at the unidentified

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01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,320
celebrity review kgra and you can find

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01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,480
us uh we actually have live people on

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01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:14,000
our discord chatting right now so if you

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01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:15,920
guys want to hang out i might even pop

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01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,000
in there for a minute maybe we'll see

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i'll let you know but i love you guys

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and uh we'll catch you

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01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,480
on ucr or the singularity lab and on ufo

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01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,560
twitter and the discord and uh i'll be

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01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,040
back here for sure this is a blast can i

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yeah

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all right

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01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:38,000
for akashi chris singularity mike my

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brother uh at a wave soul nathan this is

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dj saying

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one love

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peace out